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Post by absinthe` on Jan 29, 2008 13:47:44 GMT -5
Part of the problem is, Americans are lazy and spoiled... that's it. No one wants to carry a big clunky personal cd player and a handfull of discs everywhere they go. And Americans have to have their music. Most people would rather carry a mp3 player with 10 to 1,000 albums on it than some big antique cd player that skips. Mp3 players cost as much as a cd or two here. If you think about it, how many people are going to buy a cd they are only going to rip once and throw on their mp3 player. Granted some people will use it in their car, but most cd players made for cars now have ports for their mp3 players, usb, memory stick or fm tuners. And most americans are too fu?kin lazy to go home and rip cd's, they would rather download the music. Whether they pay for it or not.
Anything on the cd or booklet you can get online.. (music, videos, lyrics, photos, blog from artist, etc)
My cell phone has a 8gb mp3 player in it that lets me attach lyrics, comments, artwork and videos to each song. Almost all cell phones being sold now do. Not to mention stand alone mp3 players, media players, PDA's, dvd players,game consoles and televisions have mp3 player, usb and memory stick ports to connect your mp3/media players. I havn't played or purchased a CD in over 2 years. Even my car stereo system has USB, aux in and memory stick slots for easily connecting mp3 players or cell phones.
I think another part of the problem is: overseas tons and tons of cd's are pressed every year. We didnt even get CD singles for half the songs TQ released as singles. In Europe they dropped 2 to 4 CD's for each. I don't even think they press cd singles in the US anymore. I dont see any in the cd store at the mall anymore. Besides some promotional cd's and singles that usually go to support charity, i don't think the US markets them much anymore. most European countries are way behind as far as consumer electronics are concerned. I'm not trying to say the US is superior, cuz we're way behind Japan.
Sony, Microsoft and Apple are trying to make all movies and music albums digital downloads. They could easily succeed with music. Music is 50 times easier to download than movies.
They are starting to sell movies and with "Digital Copy" included. Which is basically a mp3/ipod/psp ready version of the movie. They could possibly do this with cd's.
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Post by Akkadian on Jan 29, 2008 16:26:14 GMT -5
I don't remember him ever saying this was a Europe only album.... I remember him saying he was going to release a cd (Listen) then a Europe only album next... then he released Listen to the UK with songs not available in the US.... and it didnt do well. Granted it wasnt a whole new album, but it was a 'new version' of the album exclusive to the UK. And he did release 2 new singles for the cd that were not released in the US. Right On Friends RMX and Tear This bit©h Up. I think the Listen UK release was a "testing the waters" cd. Since the album didnt do well, i dont think I would waste a whole album of new songs . It's probably not even that, he probably can't get a good deal with a label or distributor there because of that. And we all know he's not about to get screwed over with another label or deal. Not to mention he's trying to get back on his feet here, and you cant do two things at once. He's either here or there.. and there isnt doing anything for him here. And if he does well here, he can do well there. So the obvious choice is work on here first.
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Post by Maudizzle on Jan 29, 2008 16:57:37 GMT -5
^^ I think it was pretty obvious that with the Euro album he meant a totally different album. That EU version of Listen was a UK release right? I have never seen it anywhere on the shelves.
We don't know the ins and outs, so all we do here is talk to talk and hopefully TQ will get the perfect situation. I remember TQ talking about San Quinn once; that San Quinn can eat very well off his releases. FYI: San Quinn releases a few albums a year, but barely anybody knows him. Who knows TQ will only release albums in the U.S. from now on and then us Europeans will have to import his cd's. I wouldn't blame him if he makes more money off of that, but as a fan I I'd be disappointed cause he is certainly a marketable artist.
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Post by Maudizzle on Jan 29, 2008 17:00:20 GMT -5
I do hope he finds something better for the online distribution with the HUB Muzic Store though because cause snocap.com is terrible.
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Post by shero on Jan 31, 2008 11:41:07 GMT -5
European album I guess he change his mind and made it world wide instend Did you not read Qu's post that i replied to in the first place!?! It's not even worldwide, it's on cd in major american stores, and internet mp3 downloads for everyone, but the problem with that now is, why buy it off the internet, especially for collectors, like mauz, who want to have the actual cd, or people like me, i wouldn't cla$s myself a collector, but i don't download music from anyone, free or charged, because i'd rather have the cd, album art, etc and i believe the artist, whoever they are, deserve to be paid for there work, but i won't pay for downloads that can carry viruses, or be deleted in many accidental ways! Pretty soon nothing will be on cd! The other problem we're discussing with the "worldwide" internet download is that they're american sites, so europeans can't get it, how is that worldwide??? |
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Post by mikis on Feb 9, 2008 5:02:42 GMT -5
been a fan of you from day one dude...yout got world famous cause of 2 or 3 songz brought out here on tv in europe... bye bye baby westside better dayz dude got all your albums except listen and gemini...cause you cant even find them here...we know you got talent i think you and jay sean are one of the best rnb singers in the world...don't know why all your new songz or albums are so hard to get here... what's the prob with that? or what about tours? only seen you once here in belgium...thats sad...all these new upcoming artists unknown here can be uploaded by so many sites...but can't find sh!t bout you man...  you only find never saw me coming and the second coming...for the rest nothing...hope that turns around with "paradise"...reach back to europe man ;D anyway TQ your the best man.It ain't all about money with you...you feel music dude...you are music ;D cya take care GRTZ from Belgium |
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Post by tqfan on Feb 10, 2008 15:12:20 GMT -5
I don't know whether I'm with Qu or with Gillian here. I understand that TQ tries to make the most money he can with the best deal, but my thing is (and that counts for other artists besides TQ as well) that I want to go out and buy a cd in a store. If I really can't get it in a store here, I will get my hands on a hard copy anyway... but this whole situation right here will also make it harder to get cd singles and vynils. As a collector I'm not very pleased, so to say... and like Shero said: this album was going to be the EU album in the first place and now I'm pretty sure it'll be quite hard to find in my country. mauz, i'm with you. i'm a collector, i'm quite proud of all the cd's/vinyl i have of TQ (and other artists), so i do prefer to get an actual cd/booklet. when you download music, you have to burn it to cd, which just isn't the same, and is possibly still illegal (the law makers can't make up their mind) i don't listen to music on my computer 24/7, i do have a stereo system in my room (actually throughout the house, i like to listen to music sometimes, while i cook) and i also need a cd to play in my car. on the it's not TQ's fault snocap and itunes are USA only, well tbh, itunes ISN'T usa only, so i disagree there. and snowcap my card was actually accepted, so i have no problems with that, although it's not the best. i also prefer a cd in case my computer screws up and i lose my files (it's happened before, it can happen again). there are pros and cons for each method (digital d/l and cd) it doesn't mean we should be forced into one or the other option! same with this being the EU album, see that happened. oh and just cos some of us want a cd, doesn't mean we carry around those personal cd players... sorry but it's true, the non-usa fans are being forgotten about time and again. the usa people don't see that, cos they're getting the music. it's the way some of us feel, nothing will change our minds on that unless we see some music being made available to us... |
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Post by absinthe` on Feb 10, 2008 21:37:05 GMT -5
iTunes and iTunes UK are not the same. iTunes UK is a company in the UK and iTunes US is a company in the US. Different companies in different countries to handle different laws and currency exchange. Both owned and ran by the same company (Apple). Only labels with international distributors will show up on iTunes UK or in shops in the UK. Sony US is not selling music from their artists on iTunes UK, Sony UK is. Sony has a distribution company in every country as most major distributors do.. TQ's label and The Hub Muzik only exists in the United States. That's what independent means.. It also means less production of hard copy media and more digital media.
I collect(ed) TQ stuff too, I have over 150 cd's, vinyl's, videos, etc... check "the collection" on the site... I have 99.9% of the stuff on there. Ive come to grips with the future of all digital. I really dont give a sh!t anymore. its all about the music.
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Post by Stunna on Feb 11, 2008 14:35:37 GMT -5
i also prefer a cd in case my computer screws up and i lose my files (it's happened before, it can happen again). sorry but it's true, the non-usa fans are being forgotten about time and again. the usa people don't see that, cos they're getting the music. it's the way some of us feel, nothing will change our minds on that unless we see some music being made available to us... True , so after we dl the songs we gotta burn a cd for back up, cuz if we put it on a stick to format our computer we can lose the datas too... And yes for non-usa fans is too hard to get the sh!t TQ's dropin'... that way TQ lose fans , I know is not his fault but some fans don't know that...    |
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Post by Akkadian on Feb 11, 2008 15:14:26 GMT -5
I got news for all yall, its not that easy 2 get his music in the US either. I had to go to 4 stores 2 find Listen when it dropped. Most shops dont have any his cds across the US so quit actin like you're being left out of some magical loop. All independent cd's are like that. I dont think some of u have a clue. You also forgot about a lil cd called The Second Coming... Oh yeah, released EVERYwhere but the US!! But wait, that wasnt his fault, it was the label!! Same fu?kin difference as now.. U will hav to do the same thing as we did then. Import it or download it. I didnt see people crying 'you forgot about us US fans, what about your US fans' like it was somehow his fault.
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Post by Stankfish on Feb 11, 2008 15:34:59 GMT -5
I think alot of you need to wish the man luck and happiness and let him do what he's gotta do to survive and stop worrying about yourself and how inconvenient it will be for you to get his new cd.
I never get to see any of his music performances because he only performs in California and overseas. Maybe i should start hatin on Cali and Overseas....
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Post by Stunna on Feb 11, 2008 16:14:10 GMT -5
His Listen album I got it from the net cuz here waz no where to find, and not in 4 stores ...in citys, hell waz no where in my country ( and we got on every corner pirate cd's) , so don't tell us is hard for u... If u can't find a album , all u gotta do is a click and get it, as for us we click and nothing  Some of us know he's not his fault ! And I bet he got more EU fans than US ! U don't see that cuz he don't got concerts in EU , only Amsterdam and few more . |
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Post by nelsonthedon on Feb 12, 2008 9:22:44 GMT -5
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Post by Sin on Feb 16, 2008 11:15:17 GMT -5
I didnt read everything that was said in this thread so I may double up on some points here.. If I do.. my bad.
Firstly.. hard luck to T. Many fans dont get whats up with distribution and just general bullsh!t with the music industry. So that just sucks on both sides cause fans dont understand, and it's hard for the artist to explain.
Now about the cd being pushed back.. like most people have said if that means I can walk into a local store and pick it up, hey thats a beautiful thing, I'm lookin forward to it. But if it doesnt.. fucc that. In all honesty I'm not paying for any download..
I hope T checks in and sees this, thats why I'm seperating it. I wont pay for a download.. I will buy a hard copy of the cd when I get the chance, but until I get that chance I will download it. If T reads this.. hey if you are in europe next month, bring me a copy of the cd I'll put the dub in your hand.. I'd prefer it that way homie. That way u get it all and not 6/7 dollars.
One thing that just shocks me is how long this has been delayed.. I interviewed T to talk about the album, like so long ago, and we had talked about whether Jamarcus Russell would be drafted to the Raiders.. that had to be very close to a year ago..
I've lost my point so I'm gonna stop typing
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Post by absinthe` on Feb 19, 2008 18:54:53 GMT -5
EUT: What kind of release is this album going to have?
TQ: We're going to release this album around the world on 1 April digitally on places like iTunes. Between now and that date we're working out deals with different territories to get the album a physical release around the same date. Everybody will have an opportunity to get the record.
EUT: Would you ever have thought back then when you released your first album that downloading would have been as big as it is now?
TQ: I wouldn't have thought before it all started but once it did I knew it would be something big and that the game was changing due to technology. Everything is getting more user-friendly and it's easier to buy music. People would rather sit at their computer and download rather than having to find time to make it down to the store. They would rather listen to their own mixes on their iPod than someone else's mixes on the radio. What's to argue about?
EUT: People are still downloading illegally though. What do you think about that?
We're all trying to safeguard against that. Everybody just has to understand that artists are people too and we have to pay our bills like everyone else does. We try our best to bring fans the best music possible and we just ask that they pay for it. I think it's a pretty good agreement.
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